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The Best X-Men Character?

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So the brief back and forth about underrated legend Cyclops in the news thread regarding Storm's casting got me thinking: who is the best X-Man or X-Woman and why?

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The answer is Rogue by the way. Fierce, bold, independent, powerful, complex, deep, funny, unique, tragic, dynamic. Part of one of the most iconic ships in comics with Gambit. I also don't think anyone better personifies the gift and the curse of being a mutant. Who else? WHO ELSE?

I MEAN

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55 minutes ago, Mariah. said:

The answer is Rogue by the way. Fierce, bold, independent, powerful, complex, deep, funny, unique, tragic, dynamic. Part of one of the most iconic ships in comics with Gambit. I also don't think anyone better personifies the gift and the curse of being a mutant. Who else? WHO ELSE?

I MEAN

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End the thread the tea has already been spilled.

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1 hour ago, Mariah. said:

The answer is Rogue by the way. Fierce, bold, independent, powerful, complex, deep, funny, unique, tragic, dynamic. Part of one of the most iconic ships in comics with Gambit. I also don't think anyone better personifies the gift and the curse of being a mutant. Who else? WHO ELSE?

I MEAN

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BITTCCCHHHHH, this is my answer too, LMAOOOO. She's my personal favorite and when you look at her power as a metaphor, I think we can all relate to having trouble opening up or being intimate with others. I love Rogue, close the thread moderators Image result for rogue gif

 

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And lets also acknowledge that the 90's cartoon did her right when it came to looks and power, while the 2000's movies made her nothing but a lovesick  loser.

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1 hour ago, Mariah. said:

The answer is Rogue by the way. Fierce, bold, independent, powerful, complex, deep, funny, unique, tragic, dynamic. Part of one of the most iconic ships in comics with Gambit. I also don't think anyone better personifies the gift and the curse of being a mutant. Who else? WHO ELSE?

I MEAN

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Exactly what I came in to say. Confident, sexy, self-aware, empathetic. An icon through and through.

People can, and will make an argument for Storm, as they should.

My other two favs of all time are Kitty Pryde, and Laura (X-23). Both of which I can make arguments for. However, Rogue was my first love.

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4 minutes ago, Angelic said:

Exactly what I came in to say. Confident, sexy, self-aware, empathetic. An icon through and through.

People can, and will make an argument for Storm, as they should.

My other two favs of all time are Kitty Pryde, and Laura (X-23). Both of which I can make arguments for. However, Rogue was my first love.

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What's your argument for Kitty Pryde? I feel like to the mainstream, she's very underrated and not considered a household name like Storm, Rogue and Wolverine. Only like actual readers seem to stan and respect. :newspaper: 

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15 minutes ago, Mariah. said:

What do you like about Kitty Pryde? I feel like to the mainstream, she's very underrated and not considered a household name like Storm, Rogue and Wolverine. Only like actual readers seem to stan and respect. :newspaper: 

Well the teenage aspect of her (like in Evolution) I related to, with how she just wanted to live a regular life. Funny enough, similar to Rogue's story.

Shes been through a lot, and like Rogue again is a part of one of the most iconic ships with Colossus. Then she found her a new good man. 

I find it really symbolic how she started off the typical teen with underrated powers to one of the wisest, smarted members with literal Godlike powers. And even though she's one of the strongest there is right now, she's still scared and still keeps herself grounded. (Again, Like Rogue lol) 

She's definitely underrated with her personality and powers. She's saved the X-Men on multiple occasion from some tough shit, and spoken some of the most real shit as well. Her story and adventures over the years the general public would gag to know. She's a huge symbol of female empowerment. She's more than qualified to be the leader. :cry: 

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Dark Phoenix was always my fav 

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Kitty and Rogue just because of this 

 

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19 hours ago, Twisted Bliss said:

And lets also acknowledge that the 90's cartoon did her right when it came to looks and power, while the 2000's movies made her nothing but a lovesick  loser.

I don’t know for sure because I don’t know the comic timeline and what is/isn’t canon anymore (cc @Captain Fox) but from what I know Rogue has always been complicated and has had a number of different eras depending on what powers she absorbed. The animated series is definitely the most iconic presentation and feels the most developed and true, but I think both are valid.

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52 minutes ago, Jeigz said:

I don’t know for sure because I don’t know the comic timeline and what is/isn’t canon anymore (cc @Captain Fox) but from what I know Rogue has always been complicated and has had a number of different eras depending on what powers she absorbed. The animated series is definitely the most iconic presentation and feels the most developed and true, but I think both are valid.

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While it’s true she has had several different eras, the movie adaptation went with the lamest route. She was never really written to the best of her abilities, but mainly a jealous woman when there was no need for it. Especially considering they only really included her in 3 full movies, and essentially wasted her entire story arc. Thinking about it seems they had a hard time writing complex stories for most of the women.

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Personally I’d say Monet St. Croix, but I think she barely meets the criteria of a full fledged X-Man and she’s pretty unknown :uhh:.

But it’s undeniable Kitty is the best X-Man, period. We’ve seen her serve girl next door, quirky tech support and eventual leader of the entire mutant race and still she’s maintained a relatability throughout it all unlike others characters of her calibre (Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm etc.) :newspaper:

If the MCU felt the need to build their X-Men franchise around a character like Fox did with Logan, it’d only make sense for it to be Kitty.

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1 hour ago, JayP. said:

Personally I’d say Monet St. Croix, but I think she barely meets the criteria of a full fledged X-Man and she’s pretty unknown :uhh:.

But it’s undeniable Kitty is the best X-Man, period. We’ve seen her serve girl next door, quirky tech support and eventual leader of the entire mutant race and still she’s maintained a relatability throughout it all unlike others characters of her calibre (Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm etc.) :newspaper:

If the MCU felt the need to build their X-Men franchise around a character like Fox did with Logan, it’d only make sense for it to be Kitty.

Ugh, another underrated queen. Such a tragic and crazy story, another reality to what family is capable of doing to you. And also a Muslim hero. She definitely counts, the title says X-Men character, not necessarily best X-Man :clap: 

And stan Ms Kitty! :cry: 

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So tough and so many valid contenders, but I've been reminiscing on the Dark Phoenix Saga, specifically Last Stand on the Moon, so I'm gonna go with Jean because they aren't doing it like that anymore and they haven't since.

Speaking of, I'm currently reading Bishop's Crossing and Jean jumps into Emma Frost's body and I'm cackling knowing the history between them that will unfold. Them being the Trish and Lita of mutants.

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On 7/30/2019 at 4:36 PM, Jeigz said:

I don’t know for sure because I don’t know the comic timeline and what is/isn’t canon anymore (cc @Captain Fox) but from what I know Rogue has always been complicated and has had a number of different eras depending on what powers she absorbed. The animated series is definitely the most iconic presentation and feels the most developed and true, but I think both are valid.

:frecklefox: 

 

On 7/30/2019 at 5:34 PM, Twisted Bliss said:

While it’s true she has had several different eras, the movie adaptation went with the lamest route. She was never really written to the best of her abilities, but mainly a jealous woman when there was no need for it. Especially considering they only really included her in 3 full movies, and essentially wasted her entire story arc. Thinking about it seems they had a hard time writing complex stories for most of the women.

Here late, but better late than never. The tea on Rogue is that she has always been more in line with the X-Men: Evolution interpretation of her, which is a more layered version of what they did in the movies, since the 2000s. The 90s version, while iconic, was a very water down version of the layered character that Chris Claremont produced. There was only one episode where you saw her arc and the rest of the series she was just the southern girl. The animated series borders on stereotypical as well, but that was the case for all the characters that came from a background that feature an accent, and that is why I don't hold it in high regards compared to Evolution.

Like everyone thinks Storm is out here speaking to the weather, when she has never done that in any book, and are practically asking for it to happen in the MCU when that would be the most god-awful thing. Like I-

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18 minutes ago, Captain Fox said:

 

Here late, but better late than never. The tea on Rogue is that she has always been more in line with the X-Men: Evolution interpretation of her, which is a more layered version of what they did in the movies, since the 2000s. The 90s version, while iconic, was a very water down version of the layered character that Chris Claremont produced. There was only one episode where you saw her arc and the rest of the series she was just the southern girl. The animated series borders on stereotypical as well, but that was the case for all the characters that came from a background that feature an accent, and that is why I don't hold it in high regards compared to Evolution.

Like everyone thinks Storm is out here speaking to the weather, when she has never done that in any book, and are practically asking for it to happen in the MCU when that would be the most god-awful thing. Like I-

Ive never seen Evolution ill have to check it out to see this version of Rogue.

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On 7/30/2019 at 6:17 PM, JayP. said:

Personally I’d say Monet St. Croix, but I think she barely meets the criteria of a full fledged X-Man and she’s pretty unknown :uhh:.

But it’s undeniable Kitty is the best X-Man, period. We’ve seen her serve girl next door, quirky tech support and eventual leader of the entire mutant race and still she’s maintained a relatability throughout it all unlike others characters of her calibre (Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm etc.) :newspaper:

If the MCU felt the need to build their X-Men franchise around a character like Fox did with Logan, it’d only make sense for it to be Kitty.

BABY, Monet is more of an X-Man than Kitty will every be. Kitty has left the team on multiple occasions, problematic as hell, and immature as fuck. Her highlights include:

  • Being written to seduce a 20 year old man, which would then lead to one of the most problematic couplings in the franchise: Kitty and Colossus
  • She called a black man a ****** because the man called her mutie as if they are the same when you have black mutants.
  • She left the X-Men to go be with Starlord. She didn't come back when the threat of extinction loomed over them, and only returned once the problem was solved. That would lead her to leading a team in one of THE WORST RUNS a writer could produce, which then in turn lead her ass to be sidelined until this new Marauder's book.


She does not compare to Storm, Cyclops, or Wolverine in terms of skills or leadership. She does not have the vernacular to even be in the same space as them. She is only loved by writers and isn't even a top 10 in the X-Men hierarchy or the top 5 when it comes to women exclusively.

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VERY late to this party, but as Uncanny X-Men #168 was my first ever X-Men book, and this was the splash page (which is what I went on to name my comic book store when I opened it in 1986)

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Kitty will always hold a special place in my heart despite her 500 other personal issues. (They made her a ninja? Okay... sure...)

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      It also needs to be noted that this issue is the revelation that Moira's 8th life is the reason why Xavier has the information to know where the Mother-mold is located. It was revealed to him when he scanned Moira's mind. The books get more connected after this.

      House and Powers of X #4 connecting variants
      We return back to space in Marvel's present day. House of X #4 opens with Xavier, Storm, and the Stepford Cuckooos creating a singularity so they are able to reach Jean both mentally and visually. Jean explains that the team has just been attacked. Husk and Angel are already dead and they aren't even off the ship. Magneto asks them if they can finish the mission and they say yes. Cyclops points each mutant to where they need to go: Jean and Monet will stay on the ship, Wolverine will get a collar by a security hub, Mystique will take one by a habitat, and Cyclops and Nightcrawler will get the final two. The next panel is Karima having to pep talking Gregor into stopping the mutants. She succeeds as she uses Gregor's boyfriend death to get her to work and she does, but it is too late, the mutants have taken down two of the collars since Gregor decided it was time to fight. Jean relays to Xavier that Wolverine and Nightcrawler were able to get the job done and that two more collars were left. Hank (Beast) informs Jean that Sentinels are coming. Jean thinks they can get it done in time since Cyclops is close enough to his collar, and before we can get information on Mystique Monet interrupts to inform Jean that they have company. She tells Jean to get in the escape pod. Jean wants her to come, but Monet tells her she can't because they will end up killing them both. Jean tells her she can't get in contact with Xavier at this distance, and Monet tells her to try because they have no more options. The pod drops as the Sentinel enter and Monet fights to her death taking as many Sentinels down with her.

      We join Cyclops inside as he destroys his collar. He tries to get in contact with Mystique. Mystique finally touches base with him and tells him she has gotten turned away for moment, more than likely due to her having to change into a scientist, but she made it. She realizes something is wrong though, and when she turns around she sees Karmia and Gregor. They kill Mystique when they push the emergency button and it pulls her into outerspace. Gregor informs her team to keep the X-Men distracted because she is turning on Mother-Mold. Karima asks her if Nimrod will be sane if he is released too early. Gregor thinks it will be fine and the timer only gives 30 seconds for the mutant to get that collar off. Jean informs Xavier of the failure and asks him what can they do as the timer his 20 seconds. He tells them to do whatever it takes. Wolverine and Nightcrawler volunteer to make the sacrifice for the team and Cyclops allows it. Wolverine and Nightcrawler share one final moment before they "bamph" outside and destroy the final collar and pushes the Mold head into the sun in time. Cyclops then runs to find a suit that will get him to Jean's escape pod, but he is stopped by Karima who shoots him in the back with nanites that are preventing him from using his powers. Cyclops tells her that she has lost and capturing him means nothing. Gregor then comes in and reveals the man who died is not her boyfriend, but her husband, and she is not about to keep his killers alive. She shoots Cyclops in the face as Jean and the other watches. Jean earns her death as the drone sentinels finally make it to her. Every last member of Cyclop's team has died, and this causes Xavier great stress. He ends the issue saying "No More". And then we get some information dumps that talk about the mutant population drop that happened because of Scarlet Witch's iconic "No More Mutants".

      Powers of X #4 reveals Xavier and Magneto first meeting with Sinister at Bar Sinister in year 0. Xavier and Magneto want to recruit Sinister so he can continue his mutant indexing project.  Sinister does not like this and gets shot by another Sinister. This Sinister reveals himself to be the one with the mutant gene (the one they wanted) and he accepts their terms. This begins the mutant indexing.
      In year 10 Xavier takes Douglas (a mutant who can translate any language) to Krakoa. This part of the story mainly sets up the story of Excalibur that I will speak about when I mini-review it. All I will say is that Krakoa was a land of magic and Apocalypse had a big part in it. This section of the story ends with Douglas agreeing to stay on the island after Xavier shows him the plan for the island. Xavier tells him to translate the Krakoan language so other mutants can understand and Douglas also agrees to that. Douglas and Krakoa now become buddies.
      Year 1000 is the final section and it mainly just showing the Post-human tricking the phalanx into allowing them to ascend. In exposition they explain that the phalanx hold dominion over the whole universe and they allow machine's into their collective if they are found to be worthy. Post-humans are still biological, thus the need to work around it. They did this by copying a volunteer post-human into a empty machine vessel for the phalanx to accept. The issue ends with them waiting for an answer.

      House and Power of X #5 connecting variant
      House of X #5 is a big issue for the X-Men and Marvel itself. This sets two precedents and does it so flawlessly that I was both happy and worried by the end of it. So as you read earlier, Cyclops and his team accomplished their mission of sending Mother-mold into the sun and ending the birth of Nimrod, but they died doing so. We begin this issue with Magneto and his daughter, Polaris, having a conversation about humankind. Magneto tells Polaris that Human beings never really took off until they began hunting and then began to settle down in one place to create a society. Mutants have not really had that since they were always fighting each other to be seen in the good graces of human kind to build a society where they look after each other, good or bad.

      Mutants from left to right: Eva Bell, Proteus, Hope Summers, Exlixir, and Fabio Medina
      Now enters The Five: Fabio Medina, Eva Bell, Elixir, Proteus, and Hope Summers. These five mutants are the greatest heroes on Krakoa. They are the greatest because together they can bring back any mutant from the dead and bring them back to the exact moment right before their death. We get loads of information on each one roles as they bring back the mutants who died in the suicide Mother-mold mission. Fabio, most notably known by his mutant name Goldballs, is tasked with producing "eggs" that will be used to reborn mutantkind. Proteus makes those "eggs" viable with his reality warping abilities. They then inject the DNA that Sinister keeps record of into the egg, and have Elixir begin the Cellular replication process and then immediately after Eva Bell speeds up time on the egg so we can get that mutant to where we last saw them. This is all kept up with Hope Summers who enhances all their abilities by being around them. The process is all capped off by Xavier who gives the mutant back their memories up until their death (there is an information dump that explains Xavier downloads every last mutant memory every week so if they die they can return with no memory lapse). This is revealed in Power of X #5 to be done when Xavier goes to Forge and has him build servers (a cerebro) where he can dump and catalog mutant memories in as not to exert himself with it.
      Husk, Cyclops, Nightcrawler, Angel, Jean, Wolverine, Mystique, and Monet have all been reborn, but they all must be tested first by Storm, who acts as Mutant motivator/Pastor. She gives each mutant a question related to something she did with them in the past. Each one of them gives her an answer she finds fit and each mutant in this ceremony is revered for the sacrifice they made for mutant-kind.
      We then see Magneto and Xavier talking about a UN vote about Krakoa becoming a official nation recognized by the UN. Magneto asks him if he is worried, and Xavier quickly says no because he is enjoying how together mutant-kind has become.

      The UN vote goes in the favor of Krakoa, with a few exception. This is all worked by Emma coxing the majority to favor Mutants with her telepathy. Xavier knows about this and thanks her for it. It is then revealed in Power Of X #5 that she made a pact with Magneto and Xavier for a seat at the table.

      After it has been cemented that Krakoa is now a official Nation, we end this issue with Magneto and Xavier inviting every mutant villain onto the island with Logan (Wolverine) questioning the decision. Apocalypse somewhat chills Logan by letting him know that his mission is now accomplished since mutants are now equal to human kind. He then leads the villains in pledging themselves to being one people on Krakoa. In Power of X #5 we see that a governing body has been established and these people will be tasked with dealing with the influx of mutants that are going to be reborn, and coming to Krakoa.
      Power of X #5 continues the secretive future story where the Post-humans. The Phalanx has accepted the vessel used by the Post-Humans to trick them, but in doing so they learn that The Phalanx will now destroy the universe. And that is really the whole of it.

      House and Power of X #6 connecting variant
      So I'm just going to explain the meat of these two issues since there is a lot of setup for books in this that I rather not delve into.

      We begin with Xavier talking to world before the UN vote. He basically tells them that mutants will no longer be helping people for free anymore and their medicine that can save lives will now have a price attached to it because that is what human kind deserves. He ends letting the world know that Mutant is the next step in evolution and that the world changed while they slept.
      So House of X #6 sets up the Quiet Council and what they do. They begin by setting up two rules that mutants have to live by while living on Krakoa:
      No Mutant can kill a human (killing in self-defense is allowed though) Make more mutants One of these rules are put to use when they put Sabretooth on trial for the murder of the humans when he was sent out with Mystique and Toad to get the USB drive in Manhattan from issue #1 of House. Sabretooth explains that he doesn't care because Magneto sent him out to do the deed, but was quickly retorted when Magneto says he sent him out there to get the drive and that is it. Mystqiue also quips that Sabretooth willingly stayed back because he wanted to kill. And since the rest of the people there didn't like him they just agreed that he shouldn't have done it. Sabretooth was unanimously found guilty of the crime of murdering a human, and Sabretooth cries foul. He thinks he is being punished because he can't be controlled, but that is quickly shut down when his punishment is revealed. He sent to exile deep in Krakoa presumably never to return (he will, lol). The rest of the issue is a huge celebration of Krakoa and mutant-kind being free. There is also a tease at Wolverine/Emma/Jean/Cyclops being in a quad relationship.

      Power of X #6 on the hand explains the lie behind the celebration. We go straight to the future where the Post-Human finally enters the habitat that houses the remaining life on the planet earth. There he finds the final two mutants alive, Wolverine and Moira. Moria has been surviving off of Logan's blood while being housed and it is explained to them that they have not been bothered because the Post-humans wanted it that way. And they want to keep it that way until the earth is destroyed because they know they will end up forgetting if they are killed beforehand because they know how Moira's power work. They explain that once the Post-humans are accepted into the Phalanx they will then live outside the timeline thus making themselves aware of what Moira does in future timelines. Wolverine then kills the Post-human and Moira has him kill her once she gets the information she needs. This ends her sixth timeline and fills the gap in all her lives so far. She learns in all her lives that mutant-kind can't win, but that doesn't stop Xavier and Magneto from undermining this fact.
      Moira meets Xavier and Magneto in her quiet place and she talks about the council. They explain to her how they have it setup and how they Mystique there. Moria tells them has she been asking about her girlfriend, Destiny. Another person who knows about her past lives and can expose Krakoa. They tell her that they are trying to hold off by keeping Mystique busy, but eventually they are going to have to do it, and Moira tells them that no precogs (foreknowledge) can live on Krakoa because they will just end up exposing that mutant-kind will fail just like they failed in her previous lives. It is shown that Moira is jaded because of her lives. She is kind of sick of Xavier and Magneto hope for mutant-kind. She just wants everyone to see that this won't work like her and to prepare for a fight. Xavier and Magneto want everyone to be happy and hopeful though, so they undermine her by building the island and doing all they have done in the previous issues.
      And that is it ladies. If you made it to the end of this, I thank you very much. This has been a long process for me, but I'm very happy I got it done. This thread will be the start of me using this section and this site more frequently. I plan on doing comics reviews (not just X-Men), comic news, and anime stuff on here. I also plan on continuing the weekly Box Office reports over in the other section.
      I'll end this by saying that if you are slightly interested by this you can read the issues yourself and take in the experience OR you can read the new X-books that this has book has spun:
      Marauders X-Force New Mutants Fallen Angels X-Men Please comment on what you thoughts on my summary are, and if you need help with how to find a book send me a pm. Maybe we can find you something on Comixology or something.